LIES about the new healthcare bill!

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Real Estate Agent with Windermere Real Estate
OH MY GOD!!! We can't cover ILLEGAL ALIENS in the new health care bill! NEWSFLASH- We already do!! And honestly, would you want it any other way?? Would you want to live in a country where if a person went in to the emergency room who was badly bleeding, or had a broken bone would be TURNED AWAY and told "Sorry, we can't treat you, you're here ILLEGALLY!" Would you want to live in a country where people would be let die just because they don't have "proper documentation"? I certainly hope not. This is an article I came across from a very reputable bi-partisan source. The claims that are being made by opponents of health care reform are nothing but lies, and it was passed around in a very large chain email to try to scare people. Here are just a couple of my favorites. See the link at the end of this article for the full story from FactCheck.org.
  • "YOUR HEALTH CARE WILL BE RATIONED!" FALSE!!!! It says nothing whatsoever about “rationing” or anything of the sort. Actually, it’s favorable to families and individuals, placing an annual cap on what they could pay out of pocket if covered by a basic, “essential benefits package.” The limits would be $5,000 for an individual, $10,000 for a family.
  • "A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE WILL DECIDE WHAT TREATMENTS AND BENEFITS YOU GET" FALSE!! Actually, the section starting on page 30 sets up a “private-public advisory committee” headed by the U.S. surgeon general and made up of mostly private sector “medical and other experts” selected by the president and the comptroller general. The advisory committee would have only the power “to recommend” what benefits are included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans. It would have no power to decide what treatments anybody will get. Its recommendations on benefits might or might not be adopted.
  • "ALL NON-US CITIZENS, ILLEGAL OR NOT, WILL BE PROVIDED WITH FREE HEALTHCARE SERVICES." FALSE!! That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as factcheck.org has said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.
I'm so tired of the scare tactics and lies. And I really don't understand - WHY is everyone so 'scared' of a public option?? As the video from my last post points out, a public option is simply competition. If it's better and more affordable, then it works, and we all win!! If it's NOT, then it will simply fail. The reason 'everyone' (ie. the insurance companies and everyone who believes their lies) is so scared, is because then they might actually have to be FAIR with people. They might actually have to STOP DISCRIMINATING against people with pre-existing conditions (like me). They might actually have to PAY for preventative care for people in situations like mine. Please take a few minutes out of your day and read the full article from factcheck.org. Educate yourself on what the bill ACTUALLY says. As always, please feel free to comment.
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Rich Cederberg
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This is such an important issue to those people who can't get coverage for pre existing conditions. If you've receied some of the same emails as I have then you would use the word "lie" too.

Thanks or putting your pnion out there Jonelle.

Sep 13, 2009 11:22 AM #2
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Robert Solomon/Broker/Owner
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I agree with Shirley, calling every thing a lie is going around to much we need to soften this up a bit.

Sep 13, 2009 11:23 AM #3
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Charlie Ragonesi
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Thank you for this great post. It is amazing how we are being bamboozled by the insurance lobby on this issue

Sep 13, 2009 11:23 AM #4
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Sandy McKee
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It is so refreshing to see someone share the other side of this issue. Thank you and I agree with you!! Sandy

Sep 13, 2009 11:30 AM #5
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John Mulkey
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Jonelle - There is way too much confusion regarding the healthcare bill, and one of the main reasons is we have no single bill yet which we can evaluate.  Until that happens, all the talk of what is in the bill or not is purely academic. 

I would make a couple of points, however.  Healthcare will have to be "rationed" once any bill passes providing coverage to millions of people not currently covered.  There are a limited number of physicians and facilities, and a dramatic surge in demand would create a shortage. 

While the bill fails to properly address coverage for illegal aliens, according to federal court rulings, we cannot deny any benefit to any group that is offered to the country as a whole.  Therefore, we must make health care coverage available to everyone, citizen or not.  The Supreme Court has refused to review this ruling, allowing the lower court ruling to stand.

Congress does need to act and resolve many issues in health care, such as the pre-existing conditions problem.  And what I would like for them to do is to use reasonable judgment, not political expediency, to create legislation from which we will all benefit and  which we, as a nation, can afford.

Sep 13, 2009 11:31 AM #6
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Charles Buell
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Triage is a common medical practice----all health care in that sense is rationed----it has nothing to do with the intent of what is proposed for changes to health care in this country.

Sep 13, 2009 11:40 AM #7
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Jonelle Simons
Windermere Real Estate - Park City, UT

Thank you all for your comments - I only used the word LIE, because when someone knowingly says something that is false with the intent of misleading the other party, there's really no other word to describe it, other than LIE.  MISUNDERSTANDING is not accurate, because that would mean that the person saying something that is NOT TRUE, didn't know it.  I guess I could've said "False Statements" instead of "Lies", but lies just seemed more fitting :)

Sep 13, 2009 11:45 AM #8
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Tom Braatz Waukesha County Real Estate 262-377-1459
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Jonelle

I am a guy without health insurance now and has had some serious health problems in the past; this whole health care reform thing going on is a bad nightmare.

Sep 13, 2009 01:53 PM #10
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Elizabeth Bolton
RE/MAX Destiny Real Estate Cambridge, MA - Cambridge, MA
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Hi Jonelle ~ I find it absolutely appalling how *everyone* is falling all over themselves bleating about how undocumented immigrants won't get health coverage. It is simply disgusting. How did it become socially acceptable to be so ugly?  There won't be a day on this earth when I celebrate somebody being denied health coverage.  What a country.

Liz

Sep 13, 2009 07:36 PM #11
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Steve Hula

To be fair, the American tax payer spends way to much money on subsidized health care right now.  If we do away with Federal Employees insurance, Medicaid & Medicare and all the rest,  allow the Health Insurance companies to control all health care benefits in the USA and compete for our business to drive down their costs.

When you think about it, at the present time there are millions of tax payers who already help subsidize health care for Gov, State & Fed employees, but get no subsidized health care option in return.  If those tax payers have no affordable health care options, they should not be forced into subsidizing others!  We should level the playing field!

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