Am I the only one ANGRY that the June 30th deadline was not extended?

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Real Estate Agent with Chinowth & Cohen Realtors License #142914

Congress voted NOT to extend the June 30th deadline to qualify for the $8000 or $6500 stimulus package - and you're not angry?

I have one Buyer waiting on Congress to vote to release more RD (rural development) funding before she can close. She's a single mother who has worked for a YEAR to improve her credit score and set aside money for closing. She desparately needs the $8000 stimulus incentive to complete some repairs after her purchase. She's already spent $1000 earnest money, $800 on inspections, $400 on appraisal and worked as much overtime as allowed to pay for that.

My Seller's Buyer is waiting on the $6500 stimulus money, and her Lender's Underwriter demanded that ALL repairs be made prior to closing (despite the fact that she has conventional financing and is paying 20% down), and we can't find available repair people who aren't already booked. [Expect a vent soon about Arvest Bank.]

We damn near killed ourselves before the April 30th deadline to get under contract. And Congress can't extend the time allowed for closing? Underwriting requirements are becoming more stringent, arbitrary and complicated - changing every day. Are our repair people, title companies and others in the industry expected to work 24 hours a day?

Congress voted NOT to extend the June 30th deadline to qualify for the $8000 or $6500 stimulus package - and you're not angry?

Stimulate the economy, then SHUT US DOWN?  I'm ANGRY! This extension would cost nothing - and will adversely affect hundreds of thousands of potential home owners. Where is the outrage???!!!!

Lori is a residential Realtor with Chinowth & Cohen Realtors serving the greater Tulsa area, and specializing in midtown Tulsa real estate. Please visit Lori’s web site, LoriCain.com or call 918-852-5036.

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Rainer
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Deborah "Dee Dee" Garvin
WJ Bradley Mortgage Corp.
W. J. Bradley Mortgage Corp.

Lori,  your comment #108 is a reminder that a lot of times we tend to take on more responsibility than we are accountable for....it seems to me that you have done every thing possible for your client.  There are so many things in the process that are not in your (or my) direct control that we have to be very careful about taking on the mantel of others...if only to keep our sanity.

I do agree with Damon and Kyle...there are plenty of us who can guarantee a 30 day close.  It is unfortunate that consumers don't realize the real concerns they should be focused on...it ain't all about rate!

The tax credit could not go on and on...much as I wish all consumers could have the benefit.  And, IMHO, it was about as effective as the "Cash for Clunkers" program in reviving the auto industry.  People bought cars if they got the cash and the pool totally dried up when the cash was gone.  That is not a stimulus to the environment....it is a quarterly profit boost for the auto industry.

BTW, given the political clout attached to this bill I would not be surprised at all to see it "born again" under a different bill.

June 28, 2010 04:04 PM
Rainmaker
680,225
Ruthmarie Hicks
Keller Williams NY Realty - 120 Bloomingdale Road #101, White Plains NY 10605

It dosn't mantter if they are in the majority if you Republicans insist on filibustering LITERALLY anything ane everything. Only one dem voted no.  It would have passed if they could have had cloture.  The use of the filibuster for literally every single piece of legislation is ludicrous and obstructionist.

If you guys get the majority back you spoiling for a fight and you are likely to get it.  The only answer for the dems will be   to do the same thing to you.  So nothing you want will get passed either.  If you want our legislation blocked totally - we can do the same thing to you. The chart below is from last year.  Its worse this year. 

I actually think we should have a big clock in Time Square that shows how much time the republicans have wasted in the Senate with Filibusters -

 

use of filibuster

Reference:

Filibusters Skyrocketed As GOP Became Minority In Congress

Historic Obstructionism And Filibuster Use Finally Being Discussed

June 28, 2010 04:10 PM
Ambassador
1,082,802
Bryan Robertson
Broker, Author, Speaker
Catarra Real Estate, Inc

I have to disagree with you.  I don't think a buyer should be so dependant on the stimulus money that they can't close without it.  To me, it seems that someone that marginal has as much a chance of defaulting on their loan as the people who squeezed into property at the height of the crisis.

In my opinion, the stimulus money should be gravy to be used to make the first couple of mortgage payments, get new furniture, etc.  If the money is needed to actually close the deal, that tells me the buyer barely qualifies and may not have enough reserves.

We need to get back to the days when people bought with 20% or more down, didn't expect a handout from the Fed, and built equity over time not expecting rapid market appreciation.

June 28, 2010 04:49 PM
Rainer
76,672
Jason M. Keith
Lending in 5280
WR Starkey Mortgage

Just a thought, but with all the turmoil and problems in this country, with all of the bail outs on the upper end that received billions of dollars, it made sense to have a home buying tax credit for a couple reasons. 

It helped cycle out forclosed/abandoned homes. 

The people receiving the tax credit were TAX PAYERS. 

 

June 28, 2010 04:57 PM
Rainmaker
496,259
Lori Cain
Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer
Chinowth & Cohen Realtors

Comment #128: Low-income people should not necessarily be buyers anyway? Did you say that out loud to see how it sounds?

Comment #129: I allowed her to spend $1000 on earnest money; $800 on inspections and $400 on an appraisal that will likely be lost.

Comment #132: Thank you for pointing out that the people receiving the tax credit are tax payers also. Refreshing to hear.

June 28, 2010 05:19 PM
Rainer
16,507
Lauren Yates
Metro West Realty

I have to say I agree with the end of the stimulus, though for a slightly different reason.  The purpose of a stimulus is to "stimulate" obviously, and if a consumer knows that it is a revolving door of extensions, the urgency certainly disappears, therefore diluting the effectiveness of the credit in the first place.  This was explained to me by one of our GA state senators in February when he told our local board of realtors under no uncertain terms not to expect an extension.  I feel that in order to be most effective in the present and future, the initial boundaries placed on these economic "boosts" must be adhered to.

 

This certainly doesn't mean I don't feel for those who missed out for reasons beyond their control, only that exceptions cannot continue to be made, lest we raise spoiled consumers accustomed to getting their way.

June 28, 2010 06:49 PM
Rainmaker
351,438
Damon Gettier
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert

I am sorry, I have read and re-read the comments and the original post. I don't see where the confusion was. For 6 months we knew when the tax credit deadlines were.  If a buyer was so dependent on the tax credit they should have got off their butts ahead of time. 

In good consious I don't see how anyone would allow a buyer to put up a deposit, pay for an appraisal and pay for a home inspection on a house when there is not any money in the coffers for the loan the buyer needed.

And it is Congress fault?

Someone please explain what I am missing.

June 28, 2010 09:35 PM
Rainmaker
338,290
Karen Feltman
Relocation Specialist
Cedar Rapids/Iowa City, IA Skogman Realty

Well, I would also say that I can see both sides of the argument.  I thankfully had buyers that did not wait until the last minute and they closed months ago.  During the rush in April, I referred several buyers to other agents. Why?  Because I required that they sign a hold harmless that stated that due to the nature of the current market and unforeseen delays, I was NOT going to be party to an agreement that fell apart at the last minute specifically due to obtaining or not obtaining the tax credit.  I think that I made the best decision for me, and as a result I feel like my time was much better spent with qualified buyers that were not buying because of a tax incentive, but were taking advantage of the fantastic interest rates and all of the extra inventory!

I too have many lenders that I would trust to close transactions in 60 days, but only with well qualified buyers that did not NEED the tax credit to afford the home.  There are so many people that are involved in every transaction and we as agents cannot take the credit or the blame for a buyer or seller that did not make the deadline that was well pronounced from the beginning.

Lori, you are right, your situation is one that is truly heart wrenching and I applaud you for being there with your buyer and sticking to trying to do everything in your power to make things come together.  But in the end, you cannot be the only person that is responsible.  There are too many factors for you to feel all the blame.  Please keep doing your job to the best of your ability and accept that you cannot win them all.

There are so many things that now need to happen to help the market correct itself.  Let's focus on getting things to a new normal where the best qualified buyers are the best use of our time and they can take advantage of some of the lowest rates and prices in history!  As far as sellers are concerned, there are still buyers out there and they are the ones that are able to discern price and value.  Let's price homes for the condition that they are in.  At least in my area, there are homes in all price ranges that are receiving multiple offers from well qualified buyers in what most people would consider a buyer's market. 

We all knew that there was a segment of the market was going to be a struggle to get to closing, especially in areas where foreclosures, short sales and REOs are the norm. So to those buyers that purchased under those conditions, I hope that they really feel as though the great price that they got on a home far outweighs receiving the tax incentive or not.

Thank you Lori for stimulating this conversation!

Keep smiling,

Karen

June 28, 2010 09:56 PM
Ambassador
883,319
Lane Bailey
Realtor & Car Guy
Century 21 Results Realty

Sorry, but again...  I had a troubled buyer with numerous issues close on a problem property in WAY less than 60 days.  My mortgage dude is turning closings in 21 days... 

Short sales and special circumstances are different... BUT YOU KNOW THAT GOING IN!

The only thing accomplished by the tax credit was to take sellers that would have purchased in the near future and hurry them up a little... and the plundering of our childrens' and grandchildrens' pockets. 

If you want to be pissed about something, be pissed that this administration is throwing up every roadblock they can to private sector jobs.  If we are going to turn the housing market, it won't be because of some tax credit... but rather from JOBS.

June 28, 2010 10:19 PM
Rainmaker
351,438
Damon Gettier
Broker/Owner ABRM, GRI, CDPE
Damon Gettier & Associates, REALTORS- Roanoke Va Short Sale Expert

Amen Lane! 

June 28, 2010 10:26 PM
Rainmaker
496,259
Lori Cain
Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer
Chinowth & Cohen Realtors

Update on my Buyer: I finally spoke with her tonight. She has been keeping up with the news on the internet and understood her situation better than I expected. She is ready to move forward with her purchase, regardless if the extension is granted. We are going to have to offer the Seller some type of incentive to stick with her until the RD funds are released, so we discussed a few options tonight. I'm really, really proud of her.

June 29, 2010 12:02 AM
Rainmaker
208,765
Jackie Hawley
Southeast Michigan Real Estate
ReMax Encore

Geeze- I'd like $8K or even $6500 for not losing my house and for not collecting unemployment. I'd like a government gift for not adding to a high inventory of houses and staying put. Wouldn't everybody like a tax payer funded gift. Nobody paid me to buy my house- I bought it because I wanted it and could afford it. 

June 29, 2010 01:50 PM
Rainer
146,715
Coleen DeGroff
Haile Plantation Real Estate - Gainesville FL
eXp Realty

Hi Lori -

By my count, Congress hasn't extended the homebuyer tax credit

And Congress hasn't extended flood insurance

And Congress hasn't extended unemployment benefits

 

One thing you can be sure of....Congress is showing no favoritism when it comes to throwing people under the bus. I think they need a bigger bus.

June 29, 2010 05:44 PM
Rainmaker
212,354
Judy Orr
SW & Near West Chicago suburbs
Classic Realty Group

Looks like it is now a standalone bill that has been OK'd by the House and now is waiting for Senate approval.

June 29, 2010 06:01 PM
Rainmaker
496,259
Lori Cain
Midtown Tulsa Real Estate Top Producer
Chinowth & Cohen Realtors

Judy - do you have a link with that update? I hope it's true!!

June 29, 2010 07:57 PM
Rainmaker
212,354
Judy Orr
SW & Near West Chicago suburbs
Classic Realty Group

It is on Inman News but I'm not sure everyone can see it now if they're not registered and paying members.  Approval is not guaranteed but at least it was given a 2nd chance.

June 29, 2010 08:03 PM
Rainer
48,091
Gordon W. Miller
Green Mountain Real Estate

Cliped from a note recieved from NAR yesterday. Apparently their lobbying efforts were effective.

Thank you for taking action recently on our Call for Action regarding the continuation of the National Flood Insurance Program and the continuation of the 502 Rural Housing Program. Last night, the Senate passed the National Flood Insurance Program Extension Act of 2010 (H.R. 5569), an extension of the National Flood Insurance Program until September 30, 2010. This will allow transactions to move forward. The bill is retroactive and covers the lapse period from June 1, 2010, to the date of enactment of the extension.

NAR members sent more than 250,000 letters to Members of Congress encouraging them to extend the program.

Additionally, Congress passed an extension of the closing deadline for the Homebuyer Tax Credit, the Homebuyer Assistance and Improvement Act (H.R. 5623). The extension applies only to transactions that have ratified contracts in place as of April 30, 2010, that have not yet closed. The legislation is designed to create a seamless extension; the new closing deadline for eligible transactions is now September 30, 2010. There will be no gap between June 30 and the date the President signs the bill into law. Extending the tax credit closing deadline will help provide additional stability to real estate markets across the nation.

Our Government Affairs team worked closely with Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle to enact this important legislation.

NAR is still working on restoring the 502 single-family rural housing loan guarantee program. Language is included in H.R. 4899, the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill, that is currently in conference between the House and Senate. We expect the House to pass that bill shortly and are hopeful the Senate will do the same when they return the week of July 12. When that bill passes, the program will be restored through the end of the fiscal year.

July 02, 2010 08:24 AM
Rainmaker
906,318
Tony Marriott
Associate Broker, REALTOR
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Once the extension was separated from the $33 Billion bill the Dems were pushing, the extension passed - unanimously.  So - the Republicans were FOR the extension all the time - just NOT FOR making it dependent on the other stuff the Dems wanted to push through!  

July 03, 2010 11:05 AM
Rainer
32,203
Daniel Bates
McClellanville and Awendaw, SC
MCVL Realty

Well they're for being re-elected, a major crux with our political system and how we're all just passing the debt on to the next generation without a second thought on how they're going to pay it off. 

July 03, 2010 05:30 PM
Rainer
143,428
Steve Sandoval

You can rationalize it all you want, but if $8,000 of other people's money is what it took for you to want to buy & close on a home, well maybe you should not be buying a home. NONE of my buyers/investors needed any incentive other than the low prices for them to step up and buy.

Our grand-kids will be paying off this program that did nothing more than to be a bump in the road.

August 01, 2010 05:54 AM
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