You can change the name but you can't make us say it

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Real Estate Broker/Owner with Safe Haven Realty CalBRE# 01433049

Squaw Rock, California Landmark #549


The Government has given in again, this time by considering a name change of a California landmark. Some folks think the name "Squaw" is derogatory (for the record, I don't), and have tried time and time again to change the name of Squaw anything to something else.

Our "politically correct" population hasn't yet been successful with changing the name of Squaw Valley in Lake Tahoe, home of the VIII Olympic Winter Games held in 1960, but it looks like our beloved Squaw Rock won't be as lucky. The new name? Frog Woman Rock.

When will people learn you can change names all day long but they won't stick. Who are they trying to fool?

The San Francisco 49ers stadium will always be Candlestick Park. The San Francisco Giants staduim will always be PacBell Park. That NASCAR race track thingy will always be Sears Point.

Frog Woman Rock? Nope ... it will always be called Squaw Rock. Always.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I never knew squaw=whore, I just thought it meant Native American married woman. Frog Woman Rock-blech. I don't see anything resembling either.

Aug 06, 2011 05:32 PM #6
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Larry - a waste it is.

Hillary - That is one thing I never understood ... how the word Squaw became thought of as derogatory. My dictionary says plain and simple "A North American Indian Woman". I wasn't taught that it was a "bad" word but we are understandably all taught differently. For some reason women seem to have more than their fair share of "names". I'd much rather be called a Squaw than some of those other doozies, but I certainly appreciate your sensitivity to it.

John - there are many legends out there about this rock. The one the government is going with is this one. "In a local Pomo (indian) legend, a Frog Woman made this giant rock her home. Frog woman had a beautiful human face and the body of a frog. She could jump 100 feet to snatch a man who she would devour after he gave her pleasure". Alrighty then!!

Michelle - who knew my blog post was going to become x-rated? Your understanding is the same as mine ... an american indian woman, particulary married. I'm not liking Frog Woman at all. Makes me think of teenage mutant ninja turtle for some reason.

Aug 06, 2011 05:47 PM #7
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There is politically correct and there is just plan...well never mind I won't say it.  We have a  major budget crisis and we just lost 38 people in Afghanistan today.  Yet somehow there is time to worry about changing the name of a rock formation.  Pleeeezzzeee make it stop.

Aug 06, 2011 06:47 PM #8
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Kinda ridiculous.  I am sure they are still trying to change the name of the Indians and Redskins.  

Aug 06, 2011 07:06 PM #9
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oh and Jane don't forget the Braves and the Tomahawk Chop.   I'll come see Squaw Rock one of these days.  I'll know it's real name.

Aug 06, 2011 08:22 PM #10
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FROG WOMAN?!?  You have got to be kidding me. 

"Henceforth, it officially will be known as Frog Woman Rock, reflecting a Pomo Indian legend of a man-eating creature, part frog and part woman, who lived in a cave in the face of the rock." Say Hello to Frog Woman

Another rendition . . .

"Now talk about an interesting legend…A white woman with a beautiful face but a squat ugly body lived in a tall cliff. She could jump 100 feet and would drag Native American men off to administer “to her pleasures.” Then, like a black widow, she would devour them. This story had the local tribes nervous enough supposedly that they beat a trail to the west of her home in order to avoid her clutches." [cited]

Aug 06, 2011 10:16 PM #11
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Cindy - "we just lost 38 people in Afghanistan today.  Yet somehow there is time to worry about changing the name of a rock. Sanity seems to have left us to pound our heads against the wall.

Jane - those changes have been tried as well. Guess what other words in the English language we need to be concerned about. Papoose. Skunk. Raccoon. They came with the name Squaw ... or at least that is what Wiki tells me.

Tammy - this rock makes your jaw drop, it is HUGE and magnificent. It would make a woman proud, not offended! And at the bottom of it? A beautiful river where clothing is optional. Behold, Frog Woman!

Carla - you never cease to amaze me, THANK YOU for the other rendition of FROG WOMAN! Mine was from the local morning newspaper.

 

Aug 07, 2011 12:12 AM #12
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 Why are some people always trying to protect us from history?  These are the same people who will stomp on your right of free speech if you don't agree with their view point.

Aug 07, 2011 11:42 AM #13
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I don't get it either, Paul. I refuse to go along with it.

Aug 07, 2011 12:52 PM #14
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I dunno Cynthia, little girls need their super heroes too. The boys can all look up to Spiderman and Batman, now the little girls can dress up as Frogwoman on halloween. She of the mighty tongue and fearsome croak. I think it's very catchy. There are no flies on Frogwoman.

Aug 07, 2011 02:18 PM #15
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Malcolm - the whole "FrogWoman" idea is growing on me for a super hero. I just may be Frog Woman on Halloween if I can figure out how to devour ... I mean come up with a costume.

Aug 07, 2011 08:23 PM #16
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I was going to ask you about the story behind Frog Woman, but then noticed you responded to that in the comment. Im with you and would still call it Squaw because thats what you grew up calling it. All this 'politically correct' stuff really bugs me sometimes.

Aug 08, 2011 05:39 PM #17
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Cynthia, it is infuriating that time is spent on this kind of stuff.  What's the story on who made the push for the change?  Guess it could be worse, like Wells Fargo Rock, Inglenook Wine Rock, Birkenstock Rock (actually that's kind of cute), or JC Penney Rock!

Aug 08, 2011 08:25 PM #18
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Cynthia,

I laugh at tv and radio announcers who are forced to call things by their *new* name. 3Com or Monster Park makes me want to puke. As a kid growing up watching football, we used to love watching those late afternoon games on CBS, live from Candlestick Park.

 

Frog Woman is stupid. I love Northern California, but you need to straighten out the fools that come with such idea.

Aug 09, 2011 09:22 AM #19
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John - the PC stuff bugs me too.

Mona - most of our name changes are for corporations to get their name on the marquee, not so with this one. We have many local tribes who pushed for the change.

Scott - LOL, love your candor!

Aug 09, 2011 11:41 AM #20
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Sigh.  I am a married Native woman, and I know you are so buried in your own privelege, you won't listen to me, but here goes.  "Squaw" is a derogatory word.  Most non Indians refuse to understand this, because we are only a small percentage of the population.  So that most people now recognize epithets like n***er as a highly charged and rude word (and thus don't use it unless they are intentionally trying to be provocative for a particular reason) but using racist, mysogynist words about Native women is A-OK.  Well, all righty then, so nice to know how well I and my sisters are regarded here in the 21st century.

Also, you all don't understand Native mythology.  There is nothing wrong with Frog Woman, any more than Coyote (a figure I am assuming you are all more familiar with).  Since at least the 19th century (and probably going farther back than that) whites have garbled or completely made up "Native" stories (these Lover's Leap stories a particular favorite) and now when the real indigenous stories are told, people have a fit.  So sad you cannot appreciate the real history and legends of this land.

Aug 14, 2011 03:16 AM #21
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I grew up skiing at Squaw Valley and probably can't erase the word from my memory.

@Trish: we're a very blended population in the US....there are so many words that are somewhat offensive to someone. The "N" word is much more racially charged, I think, than the word squaw.

Aug 22, 2011 12:01 AM #22
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Cynthia~ You are so right ~ although it seems Trish has a different opinion~ We are all getting so 'politically correct' we don't know how to talk to one another anymore.  In Chicago we have Willis Tower.... it will always be Sears Tower to me-sorry not changing on this one.

Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM #23
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Trish - I listened.

Leslie - There is a bungy jump at Squaw Valley where you jump off a cliff. I stayed in the lodge and had a black and tan. No thanks!

Kim - Trish missed my point. Changing the name of something doesn't mean diddly squat. People will still refer to its historical name. I didn't even know Sears Tower was renamed. You are right, it will always be called Sears Tower.

Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM #24
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Wow... next thing you know, they'll be giving Frog Woman some legs so she can jump off the cliff!  What the fish... Cynthia!  Squaw is alright in my book... and I happen to absolutely love Squaw Valley too!

Aug 22, 2011 03:35 PM #25
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