What's Yer Gripe? It Works...

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Home Inspector with Complete Home Inspections, Inc.

What's Yer Gripe? It Works...
Home inspectors can be picky so and so's. Like certain parts of the anatomy, Flippers...sometimes we raise a stink, but we do serve a purpose.
     Having been in the home inspection industry as long as I have, I think I have seen just about everything - or at least new adaptations of the same 'ol same 'ol. That is, until I came across this ingenious plumbing issue in a flipper. What makes this plumbing issue not so common are the following:
    1.    The nipple just below and above the plumbing stop under the sink is black iron which is not designed for potable water. This material is commonly used for gas lines. The proper material would be galvanized steel.
    2.    The coupling used to join the two sections of pipe is a compression type coupling. While these may be okay for pipes under the house or buried in the yard, these can leak. And, being in the cabinet under the sink, a leak here has the potential to do a lot of hidden damage.
    3.    Although this handy man repair is functional, it does not comply with acceptable trade practices and will need to be reviewed by a professional in the appropriate trade.
     Flippers, ya gotta love 'em. Well, at least I do. They keep me employed...

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Rainer
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Bill Reddington
Destin Florida Real Estate
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Don't get it. Too easy to fix it the right way. The depot or Ace can't be that far away.

August 28, 2011 10:34 AM
Rainer
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Doug McVinua
Blue Sky Living

Seems to be notable for creative use of available resources! HA

August 28, 2011 10:45 AM
Rainmaker
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Rafi Footerman
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Mid Jersey Inspections

Just like the house I inspected yesterday just before the hurricaine hit. They used drywall screws for everything from vent connections to electric panel covers and they were only the tip of the iceberg.

August 28, 2011 11:15 AM
Rainer
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The Derrick Team - Indy Metro Realtors
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Carpenter Realtors

I've found it seems investors hire the cheapest contractors they can. Those contractors cut corners and probably use what ever it in their truck to do repairs like this. I'm glad inspectors can catch these things for my buyers.

August 28, 2011 11:30 AM
Rainmaker
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Karen Fiddler, Broker/Realtor
Laguna Beach & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395
HOM Sotheby's Intl Realty, 949-510-2395

This is the reason we need a good home inspector....because to me? that looked fine. Ugh

August 28, 2011 11:31 AM
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Scott

As a rehabber, I tend to have the opposite problem.  We need to leave a few minor things unfixed (like a miswired outlet, a door that doesn't shut cleanly or a dirty air filter) just so the inspector doesn't feel the need to make up issues because he can't find any.  Ultimately, the 30 minutes and $10 we spend fixing the issues we left for the inspector to find is a lot cheaper than having to fix the exaggerated (or even made-up) issues the inspector will "find" just so he can justify his fee to the buyer.

 

August 28, 2011 11:39 AM
Rainmaker
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Larry Brewer
Nashville Real Estate
Benchmark Realty LLc

Michael - I see rusty water leaking in the future. I really don't care for iron pipes, but old houses tend to have them. Maybe that's why I've never owned an old house.

August 28, 2011 12:02 PM
Rainer
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Kimo Jarrett
Kimo's Lifestyle Solutions
WikiWiki Realty

Interesting, yet I often wonder why wouldn't the flipper use the proper materials to repair a defect? The cost wouldn't be much more, wouldn't it?

August 28, 2011 12:15 PM
Rainer
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Ann Wilkins
Oakland, Berkeley, Piedmont CA
East Bay Sotheby's International Realty

Since our houses are older, buyers ALWAYS have a home inspection.  Often the seller supplies a home inspection and if we don't know the inspector the buyer obtains another.  There are inspectors who are known to be "tougher" than others.  There are some (my favorite) who call out everything but prioritize what is critical and what can be done at a later time. 

August 28, 2011 01:04 PM
Rainmaker
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Gene Riemenschneider
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Home Point Real Estate

Many years ago when in Insurance I was at a Construction Defect Seminar.  They were showing some slides on a case study.  During some destructive testing they were taking apart some windows and found a soda can had been flattened out and used to finish of some flashing.  It was working very well - but it looked very bad.

August 28, 2011 02:20 PM
Rainmaker
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Liane Thomas - Corona & Riverside Real Estate
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The Jet Team, Keller Williams Realty, Corona Real Estate

Hmm, if they did the cheap fix on that, I would be concerned what other corners they cut. Glad they hired you!

August 28, 2011 03:05 PM
Rainmaker
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg Homes
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg IL Real Estate - Northwest Suburbs of Chicago

I don't think being a flipper had anything really to do with it other than let's 'repurpose' every scrap of iron, pipe, etc. that was left over in the remodel job.  Very stupid & frugal.

August 28, 2011 03:43 PM
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Vickie Nagy
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Flippers are not the only guilty parties. A great many occupied homes show a significant deferred maintenance or shoddy rigged up repairs yet have granite countertop upgrades. Sometimes people's priorities amaze me.
August 28, 2011 04:18 PM
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Gerard Gilbers
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Stingray Performance Marketing

Gas is under pressure and water is under pressure, since the pipe fits that should work right? ;)  I wouldn't use gas pipes for water because I don't play with gas!!

August 28, 2011 09:27 PM
Rainmaker
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Jay Markanich
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC

Just like in Virginia, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?  And galvanized might have been "proper" 60 years ago!

August 29, 2011 06:29 AM
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Michael L. Brownstead
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Ebby Halliday Realtors®

Michael, thanks for the great info on inspections, I will be sure to pass on the info.

August 29, 2011 07:12 AM
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Chris Smith
South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta
Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage

Michael, just another reason any buyer should have their home inspected by a knowledgeable home inspector.

August 29, 2011 01:10 PM
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Beverly Femia
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Terrifying!!!

August 29, 2011 10:29 PM
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Tony Hager
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I have to agree with #47, it really would not have cost that much more to do it right the first time.

August 31, 2011 04:17 PM
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Mike Grumbles
Franklin TN Real Estate
Exit Realty of the South

Michael,

 

Great point and a perfect reason to have a hoem inspection for each of our clients before the deal closes and also a great reason to have a home inspected when it is going to be listed for sale.  No need to showcase how bad the home repair may have been handled over the period of curretn ownership. 

Thanks for the information.

 

September 05, 2011 02:02 PM
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