In Answer to CNN's question- "Where was God in Aurora?"

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This will be a quick answer and I don't intend to be glib. God was simply not invited. In 1947 the Supreme Court reversed course of the previous 150 years of rulings and ruled basically that church and state should be separate. It's not in our constitution but when they married the 14th amendment with the 1st amendment, which by the way was 1st for a good reason, we got a reverse course of action that opened the door to many more rulings that just left God out of public life. We are  were, a country set up on Biblical ideals.

So this being a public event at the movie theatre, God was simply not invited and in fact was prohibited from being there. What I mean is over a long period of time Americans have demanded to keep God in a box at churches on Sundays only and this is simply a result of that policy. Then suddenly the news media questions why God wasn't there? We can't have it both ways... having our cake and eating it too. It just doesn't work like that.

If you listen to many of the victims speak out, you hear those who were praying and then in the aftermath you see God move, once He is invited in. He is the Lover of our souls. Jehovah Shammah- The Lord is there. Until we believers get more vocal with and bold in our public displays of love for our Father, we can look forward to much more carnage no matter how much security man places about.

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Rainmaker
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I was struck by the number of believers that were involved in the theater.  God bless them and help the injured.

Jul 25, 2012 08:04 AM #1
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Bob & Bonnie Horning
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Mark and Tim, I really wasn't surprised by it. The believers are there for good reason, to show the world His glory and response to such things. As Jesus said in Luke 13, ..."those 18 who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them- do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Death can and will come at any time, we won't all have time to get ready but we must be ready. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Jul 25, 2012 08:18 AM #2
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Mike Frazier
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Bob, it seems after every national calamity people begin turning back to God but it does not last very long.

Jul 25, 2012 08:28 AM #3
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Mike, It's like my Dad always said... "What have you done for me lately?" That is a human trait. Even those who lived with Jesus for 3 1/2 years suffered from the same ill. I am always looking for the comments of survivors of such events because Jesus is suddenly glorified by them many, many times. Those are priceless gifts to God. Doesn't mean we want to see tragedy for them though. It would be nice to see them without the drama.

Jul 25, 2012 09:04 AM #4
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Absolutely, just reading the Bible it is amazing the number of times the Israelis turned from God and he allowed them to be clobbered.

They always want God to have prevented things, but they never want him in their life BEFORE the tragedies.

Jul 25, 2012 01:49 PM #5
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Than, Oh my yes. It's like He covers us with His mighty hand when we are connected and following His wishes and when we don't He just has to remove His hand and let whatever happens happen. He is always there afterwards though in a big way isn't He? Bad things happen to good people everyday and it's just important that we are based on the rock before hand... we just might not have the opportunity on our death beds.

Jul 25, 2012 06:37 PM #6
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God and tragedy do not make logical sense. You cannot state that because of lack of faith, James Holmes was able to have the moral ability to murder innocent people. This provides two logical arguments:

1. God is weak - The power of God is only apparent when men are believers of the power of God. Therefore God would have prevented this tragedy if the people in the movie theater, in the town or even James Holmes himself, were a believer in God.

2. God is strong - God's power exists regardless of man's beliefs. Therefore James Holmes was a vehicle for God to take and injure life.

You take objection to the media's questioning of faith because of a tragedy. I tend to agree. However, I wouldn't make the same mistake with the first argument that I outlined.

Can you provide any additional thoughts that provide more arguments other than the two I provided? Tome, Luke 13 doesn't apply here as one of the victims was a six year old girl. Do you believe her lack of faith was the reason of her demise?

Jul 26, 2012 12:32 AM #7
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Satar, You pose excellent questions. First of all, God makes no logical sense whatsoever to our way of thinking. In order to have the peace that surpasses all understanding means we must first give up all rights to understanding. God is weak?... does not equate with man making decisions and having a free will. We choose to make God weak. The only weakness in God is what we perceive in our own minds. This is why faith can move mountains. In a place where the spirit of unbelief was prevalent, Jesus could do but a few miracles. The spirit of unbelief doesn't make God weak except in our individual lives. We must only believe in order to move mountains. How many people were in that movie theater to praise God that night? What was the movie about? Killing, some what we call justified retribution. It's all the same in God's eyes. This movie glorifies killing and violence and makes lots of money from it. Oh, but I'm sure the bad guy gets it in the end which makes it all ok? The 6 year old was not responsible for being there, her parents were. She was simply a victim of poor parental choices and indeed is very sad.

God is strong?... indeed He is. If you think God was in this man you don't know the difference between good and evil. This man was being manipulated by evil spirits, plain and simple. I could see it in his eyes and especially at his hearing. He was in a cloud of what just happened? People allow this evil to enter them, generational curses allow them to enter in, there are many ways for this to happen. But my point in this post is that Americans collectively have chosen to keep God out of our daily lives. It's like we kicked Superman out of the country but yet can't understand why he doesn't come to our rescue when we need him.

The media is and has always been behind this. Not instigating but cheering it on, pouring water over a grease fire. Who gets more excited than news outlets when something like this happens. They glorify it even more. It gives others walking around with evil spirits lurking in them new ideas. The media includes, Hollywood movies, tv, books, magazines and news corporations and even advertising. Then they use a situation like this to push the atheist/humanist world view. They all say they want peace but wouldn't that put them out of a job if they were to get it?

Luke 13 is the perfect explanation and you just aren't understanding it correctly. Jesus is telling us bad things will happen and to be ready for it. It's life! Life can be tragic and it can be exciting. He came, died and rose again to reclaim this world, but we must choose Him to be ruler in our lives. We do it on an individual basis but collectively we haven't. It's that collectively thing that brings this evil into our midst. We who know Him don't fear things like this. We are ready. That is what Jesus was saying, you can't always get ready in time, we must be ready at all times. We live in a world now where people are bombarded by violence from young ages (6 year old witnessing mass murder movies) to old ages. It anesthetizes us to death and evil. Only life in Christ can rescue us... as a nation. But the Supreme Court ruled in 1947 that it's not constitutional for our leaders to allow that anymore. Thus, be ready... more to come. We who believe in Jesus win whether we live or die because we have eternal life already. Not when we die, it started for us already. Our bodies die but we'll be resurrected with Christ for eternity. I'm ready to die... but I'm more ready to live, really live. I invite you to join us. Thanks for your questions, they made my day more exciting.

Jul 26, 2012 06:44 AM #8
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One could just as easily argue "Where was God during slavery in the South, World War I, World War II, Stalin's Russia, September 11, etc." ?  I'm thinking God could care less about the geniuses on the Supreme Court.  Man destroys man and their judgment will be in the afterlife.

Jul 26, 2012 08:16 AM #9
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Hey Bob and Bonnie,

I did enjoy the testimonies of faith in Jesus Christ from the survivors.  There is a place of boldness in Christ that as you say goes beyond man's comprehension.  It is so different from depending on the systems of this world for anything.  I too thought about the depth of relationship the 12 disciples had with Christ.  Seeing all of those miracles and yet still not believing.  We Christians are challenged daily in our belief in Christ.  Our belief in a living resurrected savior is the basis of our faith.

Best of success to you all this year!

Jul 27, 2012 12:58 AM #10
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"God is weak?... does not equate with man making decisions and having a free will."

I love this answer. I believe this is a valid point.

"God is strong?... indeed He is. If you think God was in this man you don't know the difference between good and evil."

Another good point. I am assuming you arguing the influence of good and evil, not the power of God's goodwill and Satan's power of evil.

"Luke 13 is the perfect explanation and you just aren't understanding it correctly."

OK, thanks for the clairification. You make valid points to my comment. The flaw of my logic is that was using power instead of faith. Using faith makes your argument valid.

Thanks for taking the time to answer them.

 

Jul 27, 2012 10:11 PM #11
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Satar, I appreciate your comments and questions. They seem genuine to me and not to stir something up just to get an emotional response. The main thing about God is His amazing love. Is it love if you force someone to love you? It has to be a free will choice for it to be real love. All God really wants is to love us and have us love Him above all else... but He'll never use His unlimited powers to make it happen.

Jul 28, 2012 08:55 AM #12
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Rob, Absolutely. A local atheist activist group recently ran a billboard in our area saying the Bible condones slavery. They used a graphic of a 1850's era slave with scars and in chains. They picked Harrisburg area to run it... a community of about 67% African American population... it didn't stay up very long. And the Bible I read doesn't condone slavery, only addresses it as a fact of life. Slavery is actually more prevalent today than at any time in history believe it or not. It's big business and just starting to get the media attention it deserves.

Jordon, I loved hearing those praising God for sparing their lives as well as the others. I think it's always best to focus on their stories moreso than the perpetrator... we know his story... it's as old as Cain and Able.

 

Jul 28, 2012 09:14 AM #13
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I love good arguments and debates. Religion is one in which there is no real answer, except for the perspectives of the individual. I hope you realize that you and I have been discussing religion for a couple of years now. I only continue to do so as the exchange is very civil. I wouldn't waste my time to stir up an emotion, I do so to stir up ideas and perspectives.

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