Part-timers killing the real estate profession! No Accountability!

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Real Estate Agent with RE/MAX Paramount Properties

Do you remember when you first interviewed any broker?  The broker was the ultimate professional, upstanding, ethical, the epitome of integrity. They informed you they were there to see you succeed in your new career.  Every resource they had was at your disposal, and they were only a phone call away. Their office was nothing but full time real estate professionals...just like you. "No part-timers here!" But anytime you ever call anyone all you get is static recorded voice messages. No one ever gets back to you!  Not in your office or any office! So what happened? All the brokers seem to do these days is recruit agents that never sold or will sell anything, and they are working full time jobs on the side!  How can you tell?  Caller IDs show calls from DMV's, government agencies, schools etc..., faxes come from the critical intensive care emergency room etc!  Pathetic!  Their clients call full time agents all day long asking to be let into listed properties, but will not sign buyer agency.  They were told not to!

Part-timers only fool themselves!  They cheat fellow REALTORS, and clients alike!  It is epidemic proportions right now!  So much for brokers lying to you can telling you they never hire part-timers.  How does this unprofessional insouciance serve anyone?  It is no different if you are in a contract, calling about the availability of listing, vicious dogs, or calling about a contract deadline.  So much for the phrase "Times is of the essence," and "Real estate professional!"  God forbid there was an accident, criminal act, fire or injury!  Call their brokers and get them in off the golf course, use the words "A lawyer is on the other line, lawsuits, floods, fire, POLICE OR accident!" Get their attention! Accountably has left the building! We need to enforce some accountability!  Obviously they have they no shame!

Jim Crawford

 

 

 

 

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LaNita Cates
REMAX - Aurora, IL
Forgot to mention Jim that I do agree with you and think you must have some thick skin to post this!
January 15, 2008 06:29 PM #111
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LaNita Cates  I recieve calls everyday from my websties from people that are looking for information about homes listed that are not ours (IDX)...when they identify they have an agent...we advise them to ask their own agent to assist them.  The callers mention to us, they cannot.  Their agents are working a full time job.  So between 5-6 PM every evening, we start receiving calls from part timers looking for information about listings that are not ours.  Again, they are working a full time job and do not know about broker reciprocity!  We've been using this for many years in Atlanta so it is not something new!  Any full timer knows this!  However, by this time the agents are stressed and frantic, and do not know how to search the MLS systems.  If they were working full time, they could speak to their broker, call into their office, and not jam everthing up until after work.  For many full time agents, after 5 PM is their down time.   ?  They have been up since 6:30 AM working real estate.  So do we need to hire help to answer the phones and do all their work on listings that are not ours?

The persons that are really hurt are those depending on the service that is never rendered.  In Atlanta it has become so bad, that in the MLS listings...it says "IF I SHOW YOUR CLIENTS YOU ONLY GET 1/2 of 1% commission!  This has been upheld in arbitrations.

I am not thick skin, I just call it the way I see it.  It is all about personal responsibility and action!  We are paid well in the business, but we are supposed to be earning it.

January 15, 2008 06:49 PM #112
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Joey Remondino
StoneHouse Realty Inc - Vienna, VA
Broker, GRI, E-Pro
I have made it my own personal crusade to have the licensing requirements increased for the state of Virginia because of the same problems.  You might think this post I made is an interesting read, its called Is Your Hair More Important Then Real Estate.  Thanks for the post.
January 15, 2008 07:18 PM #113
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Joey Remondino Broker, GRI, E-Pro  Joey, I will look it up!  I also have a brokers license in your area.  I lived fro over 10 years in the DC area and would like to move back at some point!  I will look at your Blog!

January 15, 2008 07:22 PM #114
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Don Davies, GRI "AshevilleRealEstateTrends.com"
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There is another post on today by Debe Maxwell along similar lines.

I see yours was written almost a year ago, but the subject still lingers in the minds of us that have made a career out of real estate.

Making a career out of real estate seems to evade the logic of these part-timers and they have the attitude of "I'll try it and see if it works". Wonder if that is also how they treat their other commitments in life, like say marriage?

The only ones that will really gripe about your topic are the "My real job is ______, but I'm also a "realator"  and they try to justify their "right" to be in the real estate business part time.

But, just maybe one of them can give us valid reasons for not feeling the way we "career" minded brokers do.

There are still too many "commission" driven folks in this business who have no idea what it is truly like to make a living doing this full time. They can come and go as they please. Get in when its good. Get out when its bad.

I wonder if they would appreciate it if their doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants and other professionals they depend on had the same attitude?

I wanted to add my comment now, because the subject needs to stay alive.

January 17, 2008 03:55 PM #115
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Don Davies, GRI   Thanks!  Years ago we used to use the term "Disney money" to describe part timers.  A trip away for the family, a trip to Disney.  The attitude was if I make a sale great if not...so what?  When we offer services to persons in need they are relying on us to help them!  Perhaps they are facing foreclosures, personal bankruptcy and a part timer is deceiving them!  Seller's suffer, the other agents, closing attorneys, buyers, mortgage commitments, and the image of Realtors in general suffers.

January 17, 2008 04:13 PM #116
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Jim  What never ceases to blow my mind is that there are people who work with a part timer and they are not necessarily friends or relatives.  Brokers nowadays accept anybody and do almost nothing to train them as was done years ago,  Karen Kruschka
January 17, 2008 04:41 PM #117
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Karen Kruschka - One of the most experienced agents in Northern Virginia  Exactly!   We recently had a person call us that wanted to sell a property that we could not help at all!  Here is what happened! 

This seller admitted to us that when she purchased the property 2 years ago...  she did so with a part timer with a full time job. The buyer grossly over paid for a home.  Her part time agent did not prepare a CMA for her as her buyer's agent, did not negotiate, had her pay full price and did not aid her or advise her on the inspection (which she did not show up for because she worked a full time job) or did she request anything that came up on the inspection list because the time expired!  BTW...the agent did not even show up at closing, nor did she have anyone sit in with the buyer.

But wait it gets better! The part timer did not advise the buyer that the home she purchased was on the market for a year and a half!  The reason?  It was 25K higher in price than the average comp!  For her troubles the buyer was offered $1500 in return for a signature on a "HOLD HARMLESS FORM!"

The buyer now seller is sitting on a home that she cannot give away with out taking at least a 45K.  It was overpriced, plus commissions, and buyer concessions!)

May 29, 2008 02:08 PM #118
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Being a Realtor is NOT rocket science.

I requires no intensive upfront training thus the low bar.

If it was a harder "job" they demographics of the industry will change so unless the bar is raised, may a college degree or a masters to be a Realtor, things will remain status quo.

Then, there'll be a different set of complaints!

February 16, 2008 03:56 PM #119
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Vanessa Plante-McDonald, AA, BS, MBA   I agree, but therein lies the dilemma!  It does take dedication, and commitment to get the job for the client done correctly, and most part-times have not committed to doing this full time themselves!  They never stay in real estate, and when they leave the industry and clients are better served.

February 16, 2008 04:03 PM #120
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Pam Pugmire
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I must respectfully disagree.  I have worked with many full time agents that are lazy, incompetant, and dishonest.  I have worked with many part-time agents that are on the ball and take good care of their clients. 

I am a full-time agent, but I have 6 children.  Are you going to say that because I have a lot of reponsibility at home, that I can't be just as effective as a single agent with no children at home?  I know I am more effective than quite a few full timers without kids at home.

It is all about the person, not the other things they have going on in their life!!! 

May 29, 2008 12:42 PM #121
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Sabrina M. Weeks
FOOTHILLS OF THE SMOKYS REALTY - Cosby, TN
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I totally agree  100%,part timers need to find a different profession!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May 29, 2008 12:51 PM #122
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 Meridian Idaho Real Estate Pam Pugmire (All Pro Realty) Thank for your opinion, but I totally disagree.  I've been doing this since 1979.  Part timers are a drain on the deals.  Customer no service, things are done at their convenience not the other parties.  It applies to listings and buyers.  I am seeing loads of homes slip into foreclosure here in Atlanta that are listed with an agent  that has the wrong price etc... you cannot reach the agent, they call you back hours later if not at all... and we've already moved on.  They have no place in the business.  It isn't a TV show.

May 29, 2008 02:03 PM #123
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Sabrina M. Weeks /Realtor CTG *Milln$$Producer* (All Seasons Realty)   I don't think it is fair to all the other parties.  Hey this is America, and a person can do what they want, but why should others carry the load?

May 29, 2008 02:04 PM #124
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Ed DeChristopher
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Unprofessional agents, whether they be part-time of full-time, cause professional agents to do more than their fair share of a transaction.  One of the most professional agents in my area (Fredericksburg VA) is now a full-time agent.  He was formerly a teacher (a very well respected one) and could always be relied upon to accomplish his side of the work load.  Did so in a manner superior to many full-time agents too.  He was conscientious and knowledgable!  Had many transactions with him and each was a pleasure.

May 29, 2008 02:24 PM #125
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Ed DeChristopher, CRS©,Fredericksburg VA (RE/MAX Supercenter)   Thanks Ed.  In the Atlanta area we have gone from 8500 to 46000 agents in a few years.  So just by the numbers...most of the agents are part time, and never sold not even 1 home.  In this market they turned it into an absolute nightmare.

May 29, 2008 02:29 PM #126
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Jeff Graves
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Wow...interesting discussion.  I've had my license since 1983 and have seen all sides of the indusrty in all types of markets.  I understand the frustration full time agents have with part time agents "skimming" off the top.

Now a part timer has every right to earn money legally and ethically to provide for a better lifestyle for themselves, their spouse and their kids.  Perhaps a part time is planning on going full time...but they need the recommended 6 months of savings to do this.

Frankly, I have also experienced frustration with "full timers".  It's not the hours you put into it..it's:

  • Your Performance to your client
  • Communication is key (who cares where they call from as long as they call duh?).
  • Keeping your end of the committment

Lastly, I'm surprised that a Professional RE/MAX agent would be ranting the way you have been. Peace.

May 29, 2008 07:39 PM #127
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The Atalnta market may have been more affected than most.  A 300% of agents in 3 years.  From 12K to 45K.  Over 67% have never even sold one home. 

May 29, 2008 09:24 PM #128
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Sandra Carlisle
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We have a few part-time agents in our office, but they seem to do well.  They work mostly by referral but love their other careers as well. 

I have also run into several horrible part-times (and full-timers).  As long as the agent is competent, and we get the deal done per contract, I'm a happy camper and could care less whether they work 1 hour per week or 80.

It's about competence and common sense.

May 29, 2008 09:36 PM #129
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Sandra Carlisle, Realtor - Newport Beach - Corona del Mar (First Team Estates)   But are thye fair to the other agents, do they get the needed documentation on time, are they accessible during regular hours...most of the time they are not.  If they are doing real estate on their full time job how well are they doing that job?  How well are they performing for that employer?  I get daily requests to do the work of part time agents because they are inaccessible to their buyer clients 9-5 PM.  The agents in the office may be swell folks, but have you done a deal with one that works full time? 

May 29, 2008 09:43 PM #130
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