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There have been a lot of blogs about various things that are found on home inspections.  This one is structural.  We inspectors spend a lot of time in crawl spaces, looking at many things.  One common one is caused by plumbers and HVAC technicians.  This isn't to badmouth them.  They have their job to do and may not know about how structures are supported.

Deeply cut joist

The above joist has been deeply cut to make room for the waste pipe.  Now this particular picture isn't of a brand new house, but the effect is still there.  This joist was originally a 2X10.  With more than half of it notched out it is effectively a 2X4.  Definitely not strong enough to support floor loads.

Completely cut joist

This joist has a section completely cut out of it to accomadate heating ducts.  This was a retro fit furnace duct, the HVAC tech decided that that section of floor didn't need support (I guess). 

In both instances, with a little thought, these cutouts could have been avoided.  What were they thinking?

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Rainmaker
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wow - how does that affect the closing? What happens next?

May 13, 2008 02:36 PM #1
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Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
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David, I see you need by "Universal no sawzalls for plumbers" sign.sawzalls

May 13, 2008 02:42 PM #2
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Bob Elliott
Elliott Home Inspection - Chicago, IL
Chicago Property Inspection

Thomas , as Home Inspectors we do not determine how it affects closing.

We show the problem , and often will discuss the repercussions, but never do we use the word negotiate in a report as it would be overstepping our limits.

The Agent and Lawyer are the ones whom determine these things.They are trained for it.

Some Clients may make a big deal out of such a problem , while others may have a u ncle in carpentry whom will cut in a new joist at little cost.

It is what it is.

May 13, 2008 11:10 PM #3
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David Helm
Helm Home Inspections - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp

Charlie, I like your no sawzall sign.  I need to get some. . . and we need a similar sign for HVAC techs.

Thomas, Bob's response was pretty much what I would have said.  I do, since I have a thirty year background as a builder/carpenter, sometimes suggest simple fixes; and both of these situations do have simple fixes.

Bob, Thanks for jumping in.

May 14, 2008 09:55 PM #4
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Bob Elliott
Elliott Home Inspection - Chicago, IL
Chicago Property Inspection

Hi David , good post.

May 14, 2008 10:38 PM #5
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I thought I got all the doozies...

Jan 01, 2009 02:50 PM #6
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Frank Torre
Torre Inspection Service, LLC 888-202-8869 - Hicksville, NY

Hi David, great catch on the basement inspection have a happy and healthy new year.

Jan 03, 2009 08:34 AM #7
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Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

It really makes you wonder. I would think they would have better sense but probably think they would be long gone if anything ever "gave way".

Happy New Year my friend. How cold is it up your way?

Jan 05, 2009 09:45 PM #8
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Carl Winters
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It really makes you wonder. I would think they would have better sense but probably think they would be long gone if anything ever "gave way".

Happy New Year my friend. How cold is it up your way?

Jan 05, 2009 09:45 PM #9
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Erby Crofutt
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Here's a plumber sawzall for you.

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Jan 06, 2009 06:33 AM #10
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