Demagogue Apologist Hacks - SEND MY CHECK NOW!

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7-31 Apologists and other spineless hacks OK I'm in a rant mood today - I'm going on vacation (again) next week so I need to get this off my chest NOW. Because next week I'll be relaxing on Kauai with my kids and my Honey and getting married next Friday and this won't seem like such a big deal then. But today I'm in a tizzy, or maybe a snit, or maybe just plain honked off at the continuing excesses of our government. Just this week I got all exorcised about LA banning fast food restaurants and then about Congress shutting down today with no movement on the oil crisis.

They couldn't spend the worthwhile time debating our energy policies and what we can do TODAY about reducing our dependence on foreign oil BUT they did have time to apologize ON MY BEHALF to Native Americans, Blacks and victims of Jim Crow laws. What in hell are these demagogue apologists doing? This absolutely chaps my hide that the people who are supposed to represent me not only don't spend time working on important issues but waste time on stupid counter-productive issues like this one.

There is no question that slavery was wrong - but at the time it was the way of the world. Why are we apologizing today for transgressions none of us committed and none of us condone? How stupid is that? My ancestors lived in Europe until about 100 years ago, they never owned slaves, never committed an offense against a Native American, what gives these bozos the right to issue an apology on my behalf?

I doubt that any of us alive today have ever owned a slave or been a slave and that our parents probably didn't and weren't either nor our grandparents. Actually there weren't a lot of slave owners even back in the day. Slave ownership in this country was confined to a few wealthy individuals, farmers and plantation owners who owned slaves by the hundreds. Not only that, the slave trade was a prosperous business throughout the new world long before it came to America. The entire Caribbean cotton and sugar trade was built on slave labor for the Spanish, French, Dutch and British long before the American Revolution. We were an afterthought in the process, Johnny-come-lately to the practice and a relatively minor contributor to the problem.

And here's another historical tidbit for you. While the Portuguese, British and Spanish often supplied the ships, who supplied the slaves? Why that would usually be other Africans. They'd raid other tribes and sell boatloads of their Brothers into bondage, often treating them worse than the treatment they received on the ships or when they arrived. Most Plantation owners who spent hundreds of dollars on slaves and relied on them for production made sure their investments were fed and treated with some care. Again, it was a less than ideal situation and from our enlightened perspective today, it was morally wrong and a repugnant practice. But it was what it was at the time and it was deemed an economic and cultural necessity by the builders of the new world AT THE TIME. Throw out the history books and let the liberals explain reality as it should have been in the 1500's based on how they think in the 2000's.

While most Caribbean nations today are the result of slave revolts, in the US it was resolved by white men fighting white men for the abolition of slavery. Did some injustices carry on in the form of Jim Crow laws, segregation and racial bias? Absolutely. The problem continues to this day IN SOME CIRCLES and ON BOTH SIDES of the color line.

So you liberal hacks, please don't apologize for me or on my behalf for something I had no part in and which nobody alive today took part in or was subjected to. We've got plenty of real issues to deal with, if you have the balls.

And if you're going to continue in the apology and reparations mode, my Austrian ancestors were not well treated when they arrived either. My ancestors were often called Italians, Wops or Dago's in spite of the fact they were Austrian.
I lost one Grandfather in a mine because of unsafe working conditions (roughly equivalent to conscript labor). When another group of miners tried to protest working conditions, they were vilified, persecuted and even prosecuted during the Colorado mining strikes in the early 1900's. A whole group was rounded up, had their possessions and property confiscated, were chased over a mountaintop by militia members and barred from returning to their homes under penalty of death - all because they were Italian or some derivative of middle-European heritage.Ā 

I trust my Congressional apology is in the mail right along with my hefty reparations check - you spineless, gutless hacks.
Well, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong.
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Tchaka Owen
Keller Williams Realty - Hollywood, FL

Gene - I'm going to feature this because I'm very interested in the debate that might arise out of it.  Congratulations!

Aug 02, 2008 03:49 PM #7
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Nicholas Goglucci
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Pompano Beach, FL
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Gene ~ Congratulations on your wedding plans and your vacation. I agree with your rantings. I can't believe someone would say it doesn't hurt to apologize and say it can go along way. Apologize for what? Being American in an imperfect world. Most of us, aside from liberals who have apparently had many past lives, have lived on this earth without owning slaves and how can we apologize for something we had nothing to do with. America was purged with the blood of many young Americans, to free itself of slavery and preserve the Union. I think that speaks volumes than to weakly and liberally apologize just to apologize.

But it can't hurt.

Aug 02, 2008 04:00 PM #8
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Nicholas Goglucci
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Pompano Beach, FL
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Gene ~

Congratulations this post is now featured in Silent Majority of Active Rain.

Aug 02, 2008 04:03 PM #9
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Tchaka - while I believe slavery is/was abhorent, while I beleive that some often treated the native Americans poorly, I am not going to apologize for it. To do so would mean I am placing myself in the same group that committed those atrocities. None of my family was here at the time so I will not apologize for them, either.

I will not apologize for being white, I will not apologize for being male, I will not apologize for that which I was never part of.

Am I sorry those things happenned? Do I feel bad that those things happenned. Absolutely. But that is not an apology.

For me to apologize for any of that would be as meaningful meaningless as apologizing for what happenned in Rwanda or Cambodia.

Aug 02, 2008 04:37 PM #10
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Tchaka Owen
Keller Williams Realty - Hollywood, FL

Mike - While I understand where you're coming from, I do not agree with you.  The difference is that you're personalizing it.  I'm not.  If I personalized then I probably wouldn't give a crap about a lot of things that go on.  This apology isn't from us individually, it's from our country (or in some instances specific states).  It's an acknowledgment of wrongdoing without pointing fingers at any individuals.

I will note that your race and gender have nothing to do with this.  The apologies aren't for how we individuals were created.

Aug 02, 2008 04:49 PM #11
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Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison

WOW - features on both Silent Majority and Dissent. It will be interesting to see if this goes any further or if, as you say Tchaka, I've just got my boxers in a knot - which may be the case. I will agree that it doesn't hurt to apologize and, unless they're discussing reparations, it doesn't cost me anything either. Hopefully this non-binding resolution will not lead to that discussion. But while it may not hurt to apologize, it does set a precedent that we are accepting responsibility for actions committed by the people who built this and other countries hundreds of years ago. And it's not Steve Cohens job, as a US representative, to appoint himself as my official, though nonbinding. apologist.

But I guess my point is. it also doesn't REALLY do anything to address the problems we have today. If there are still people around, and there probably are a few, who were touched by Jim Crow laws, then if this gives them a warm fuzzy I guess that's OK.But it's a hollow panacea. It does nothing to help people who are still affected by racism and segregation today. The very people who perpetuate racist ideals, the people who do have something to apologize for, are only made more resolute by seeing our country sliding into appeasement at the hands of liberals. That's a danger in itself.  

Aug 02, 2008 04:52 PM #12
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Tchaka - I beg to differ. There are too many out there that see me as guilty because I am white. I am talking too many caucasions, too many African-Americans, too many liberals. There are too many out there that see me guilty because I am male.

This is just the first step in a parade of "inconsequential"  resolutions that will result in something more tangible.

Aug 02, 2008 04:59 PM #13
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Ann-Marie Clements
Kezhi International Consulting Co. - Vancouver, B.C. - Saint John, NB
M.S. Ed., Principal

Mike & Gene,

I do think it's much more effective to be "ANGRY' at all of us; Liberals, Atheists, Religiously diversified, multi-culturals, Democrats, Republicans (that don't see your way) and Independents, poor single families, gays & lesbians (Oh, whose left?) then to see & change what is happening to our country.  After all, this country "wasn't built" on diversity, right?  Go back to your history class, I believe you forgot what this country was built on.

Isn't denial wonderful.... ;>D

Aug 03, 2008 09:29 AM #14
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Simon Conway
Orlando Area Real Estate Services - Orlando, FL

Gene - congrats on the wedding. We want pictures!!

Tchaka - let's take a leap of faith here and say I agree with you. You ignore the other side of what Gene is saying. There is NOTHING more important going on than this right now? They broke without a vote on energy because Pelosi knew should would lose. This is OK with you?

Aug 03, 2008 09:30 AM #15
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Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison

Simon - It's similar to the California legislature. We are now 32 days without a budget. We will no doubt have something cobbled together within the next 3 weeks because then all the movers and shakers need to take off to attend the national conventions and some have their own re-election campaigns to worry about. But they did manage to debate some items critical to the states future - a ban on plastic grocery bags, outlawing mylar balloons (when balloons are outlawed, only outlaws will have balloons), the definition of marriage, how close paparazzi can come to Britney Spears - but a budget? Naw, that's kid stuff. We're 18 billion in the tank - we either raise taxes, steal from other existing programs like infrastructure development or borrow against future revenue. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, cutting government programs and waste - no that's the Republican proposal. That won't even see the light of day when it comes to a vote.

Aloha - I'll post pics of Kauai.

Aug 03, 2008 12:35 PM #16
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Ann-Marie - as for denial being wonderful, you might know that better than I.

As for the rest of what you are saying, I really don't have a lot of anger. Glad to see that you decided that I am angry at all those diverse groups you included. You obviously have no clue but have reached a conclusion about me anyway. Wrong, like many of the others you have presented.

Aug 03, 2008 12:40 PM #17
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Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison

Mike - again it's the liberal thing. If you take them to task on the facts, or lack thereof, in their argument, they immediately go on the attack and accuse you of being angry with "Liberals, Atheists, Religiously diversified, multi-culturals, Democrats, Republicans (that don't see your way) and Independents, poor single families, gays & lesbians (Oh, whose left?)" Jeez Ann - did you miss the race card? One of us must have played that somewhere along the way - we always do. Looking back at the comment string I can't find where any of those demographics were insulted, attacked or even had anger expressed in their general direction - but of course I don't have a Masters degree so I probably missed the subtle nuances.

Aug 03, 2008 12:52 PM #18
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Mike Saunders
Lanier Partners - Athens, GA

Gene - unfortunately, there are too many liberals, conservatives and in between that rather than discuss the issue will cloud it with attacks on character. I do find it interesting that my differences make me angry. I guess I'm just one of those bitter Americans clinging to my religion and guns. But damn I am really happy for being such a bitter guy. Just ask my gay, or liberal, or atheist, or democrat, or republican, or Hispanic, or Russian, or black, or religiously diversified friends. (Darn, I don't know any lesbians here).

Aug 03, 2008 01:13 PM #19
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Ann-Marie Clements
Kezhi International Consulting Co. - Vancouver, B.C. - Saint John, NB
M.S. Ed., Principal

So you want more facts, here's more:

Earlier a comment was made that the end of the Clinton Administration was the onset of the upward spiral in energy prices, etc,.  Clinton was primarily a Rhodes Schlolar Economist, one whom was very astute in supply and demand economics.  He understood that the market should set the price, that tariffs and import/export taxes set an artificial price, not a fair price.  Any government intervention due to influences by special interest corrupts free markets.  NAFTA WAS A STRONG EFFORT TO REMOVE CORRUPTION OF GOVERMENT INFLUENCE IN THE MARKET.  ANY FIXING OF PRICES IS A SOCIALISTIC (COMMUNIST OR WHATEVER) artificial control. 

We once welcomed free markets and capitalism as the primary strenghths that made our country  the greatest economic power in the history of the world,  even though we never had a free market due to price controls. Clinton attempted to move us into the next century before we were ready, he tried to force our industry to compete  which can only occur if you have efficiency (low labor cost, efficiency in production, etc.) then we go and blow it by letting the Republican Congress, then led by Newt Grindwich fight tooth and nail to oppose free open borderless markets (NAFTA) to protect their special interest. 

China, our largest competitor for the economic supremacy is at a stage where they reversed price fixing by attempting to undersell there competitors.  Chinese goods priced below American goods naturally would be the choice of the consumer who would accept a potentially lower quality to reduce cost. Some consumers will forgo lower cost in pursuit of better quality.  That is what happens in the free market.  If we enter the world of free markets we will go through sacrafice and growing pains.  We will intially have inflation and free of tariffs and price supports, some industry will adjust and a fair price and profit will prevail, others will fail to compete and go out of business.  Wages may be lower to support business viability, but due to economic supply and demand, the housing market will adjust to meet the housing demand for those with lower wages.  As an example in the 70s when steel was king, Housing cost in Pittsburgh were high due to in part to the high wages steel men were making. These wages contributed to US steel being overpriced in the world market.  Our US automakers bought foreign steel which had a lower labour cost.  The US steel virtually went belly up.  People lost there jobs and houses which were also over priced (High wages, higher offers for inflated property values).  Pittsburgh did not evaporate!  Over supply of housing reduced market value to a fair price for existing wages. Times were rough, but Pittsburgh is more vibrant today (with cleaner air) than it was in the 60s and 70s.  My point is that without economic interference, once we adjust to the new realities after conversion, our country will even become more vibrant and robust than it was at anytime in its past.  We will become immune to economic warfare

Economic warfare: people will receive fair wages, food & energy will be at a fair price for the wages that it competes for and the human state in the U.S. will improve.

This is what Clinton tried to accomplish, but he was too far ahead of his time and the American population couldn't see far enough in the future to realize, that only strength would come from free markets.  The general population allowed their thoughts to be influenced by "special interest" groups had effective "marketing campaigns" and influence in congress through PACs to maintain price fixing in the form of trade tarrifs to support excess profits that benefitted the few rather than a fair market which benefit the masses.

So let's keep the same interest in power, so we can have many more years of the same "crap" BECAUSE WE KNOW CHANGE TAKES US OUT OF OUR "COMFORT ZONE"

Too bad, we don't have great political thinkers & strategists, such as Reagan & Clinton seeking political office today....

Morality is an issue, but strategic management foresight (vision) was Clinton's strength.  He was looking at the Macroscopic picture vs. the microscopic picture.

See, this is what my "poor, uninformed, liberal mind" can comprehend......    ;-O

 

Aug 03, 2008 02:55 PM #20
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Simon Conway
Orlando Area Real Estate Services - Orlando, FL

And this has exactly what to do with the point gene was making Ann-Marie? You see when you get right down to it, there was an apology made on behalf of us all for something none of us did. This they found time for. BUT, the beloved Nancy (her new book last seen residing at number 1,610 on the Amazon bestseller list), would not allow a vote on energy because she knew she would lose. This is OK with you for some reason that I must be way too dumb to understand.

Aug 03, 2008 02:59 PM #21
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Mike Frazier
Carousel Realty of Dyer County - Dyersburg, TN
Dyersburg Tn Real Estate

Gene,

It is a crying shame that congress left without even voting on drilling.

Aug 03, 2008 09:45 PM #22
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Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison

Thank you Simon & Mike/Mike. You seem to have read the simple message that my rant was about. Congress left without voting on the very important issue of our energy crisis - whether they actually did anything or not, I believe they owed that to the American people. Instead, they made time to issue an apology on behalf of some Americans to some other Americans for wrongs that none of us participated in to people who have had nothing done to them. Sheesh.

Aug 03, 2008 10:35 PM #23
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Sherry Lee Cox
Platinum Properties - Paso Robles, CA
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Aug 04, 2008 08:58 AM #24
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Jon Michael
DeGeorge Realty LLC - Long Branch, NJ

Well, with the liberals just salivating at electing that pop star broke-back obama, it is no suprise that they want to make extra nice with "his" people.  I had nothing to do with slavery, nor am I sorry for it happening.  I am no sorrier for slavery happening than I am sorry for any other historical injustice even if it was perpatrated by ancestors of mine.  As a proud Norweigan I'm sure there are countless people who were affected by my Viking ancestors, but I feel nothing for them.  It was not me, and I am NOT sorry for their ancestor's weaknesses being exploited. Period.

Aug 04, 2008 01:56 PM #25
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Gene Wunderlich
1st Action Real Estate - Murrieta, CA
Realtor & Legislative Liaison

Just imagine in another 200 years, following the election of BH Obama and a pronounced leftward slide as people demand more and more from their government. Private property ownership has been abolished in favor of communal ownership of resources so the divide between the have's and the have-not's is minimized. Food is raised on collective farms, only the ruling party leadership has dachas in the country, and after a bit of revisionist history, the era of private property ownership is reviled and congress issues an apology on behalf of anyone whoseancestors participated in the unequal division of wealth, who bought or sold private property, or, God forbid, whose ancestors may have actually been involved in that odious market as a Realtor. Sounds silly? Well that's just what Congress did your behalf. Want to hear more silliness? Tune in to the Democrat National Convention on the all-Democrat all-the-time news channels.

Aug 26, 2008 03:37 PM #26
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