E-Pro is a waste of a designation

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Real Estate Agent with Sea Glass Properties

The E-Pro designation is a complete waste of money. 

Yeah, I just went there. For many agents, the E-Pro designation is an “opportunity” to learn about all of the ‘new’ tools available to agents. And sure it does live up to the promise of a bunch of new tools, but it is a waste of money.

Think about it, you are on ActiveRain networking with some of the top agents in the Country. You can search blogs for many great new tools, and often find these things before anyone ever has a clue about them:

Example: home411.com.  I was one of the first agents to sign up for a free 1-800 number.

Point2 agent has been out for 5 years. It was free for the last number of years (still free for 6 months). Point2 is one of the greatest tools available to agents.  In my opinion ActiveRain has far more content and tools than the E-Pro classes could ever have.

I guess I feel like E-Pro fails to deliver on the cost of the designation. What good is a tool chest of websites and domain names if no one knows how or what to do with them? They need to update the classes and tools for today's market. 

Maybe I am way off track, but I feel there could be substantially more substance than there is.

Why do you feel the designation is valuable or invaluable? Any other thoughts? 

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Nick Vanassche
Sea Glass Properties 

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Rainer
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Kevin L. Swann
Swann Real Estate - Fargo, ND
CCIM

I have a new agent working with me, Pauline Kraav (West Fargo), I've been searching for classes, etc. that would be helpful for her education. Thanks so much for a blog which has helped me make a decision on e-Pro.

Dec 02, 2008 02:50 PM #111
Rainmaker
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Alexander Harb
Knights Investing - Mesquite, TX
Dallas, Texas Real Estate Investing

I have an "E-Agent®" designation from Keller Williams...I did not pay ONE SLIM DIME for it.......

It serves me well to let the public know I am a "go to person" for real estate because I know my stuff on a computer....

NICE post....!!

=-)

Dec 02, 2008 05:51 PM #112
Rainmaker
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Dena Stevens
Century 21 Canon Land & Investment - Canon City, CO
Putting The Real Into Realtor Since 2004

I just received an e-blast from NAR on becomming an E-Pro. Did this post have anything to do with that?

Dec 02, 2008 05:53 PM #113
Anonymous
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Nick, thanks for the info, I was thinking of taking the class, I know now that I won't be.  I do have an agent though who is completely technically challenged, I think I may still encourage her to take it. 

Dec 02, 2008 06:08 PM #114
Rainer
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Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

Nick you say that the E-Pro is a waste of a designation and a waste of money but that you will be using it in your marketing efforts? All I can say is that youth is squandered upon the young! I cant believe that anyone on AR would make up their own mind to not take any course because of this or any post which is nothing more than just a personal opinion from a young inexperienced realtor!

Dec 02, 2008 07:43 PM #115
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Ma'Lisa Thomas- Crawford
HatmakerGroup GMAC Real Estate - Alief, TX

Thanks for sharing, I have been contemplating taking E-Pro. The only advantage maybe now I see is that you can put E-Pro on your marketing material and behind your name. Well I still may take the class just to say I have the designation, but I am glad to I know what to expect in the class.  Thanks.

Dec 02, 2008 11:16 PM #116
Rainer
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Nick Van Assche
Sea Glass Properties - Charlotte Amalie, VI
Owner/Broker of Sea Glass Properties

I am all for education and I am not against taking new classes. I wrote my opinion about how the course is a waste of a designation. I believe that they need to completely revamp or update the course. Is that to say it won't be beneficial to those people who are not internet savvy? No, I can't say that. 

People are going to do their own due diligence in regards to courses they take. My opinion has be reiterated throughout this blog that E-Pro is behind the times. Look at the front page: "a message from 2001" 

The point is... everyone is going to do research. Clearly I am not alone that the course is outdated: look at the overwhelmingly large number of responses we have had. 

Dec 03, 2008 09:16 AM #117
Rainer
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Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

Hey Nick and everyone else who commented on this ridiculous post read this AR post about Real Estate credentials and rethink your negative comments at http://activerain.com/blogsview/473732/Designations-Under-Fire-Why-Are-Some-Agents-So-Negative-About-Real-Estate-Designations-and-Certifications

Dec 03, 2008 06:46 PM #118
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Regina P. Brown
California Coast & Country Homes, Inc. - San Luis Obispo, CA
e-Pro Realtor

"According to NAR, REALTORS® who pursue professional designations have a distinct competitive edge as a result of their increased expertise and marketability. Based on 2008 survey data, the median income of REALTORS without a designation was $33,200 and the median income of those with at least one designation was $67,900. The difference between the two is $34,700."

So basically you can double your income by having and using a designation?  Or maybe designations are a good way to stand out the more serious agents who are giving a full-time effort.

Join my NEW group for professionals who work from their home office at http://activerain.com/groups/virtualoffice

Regina P. Brown
Allison James Estates & Homes
www.ReginaBrown.AllisonJamesInc.com

Dec 05, 2008 08:18 PM #119
Rainmaker
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Regina P. Brown
California Coast & Country Homes, Inc. - San Luis Obispo, CA
e-Pro Realtor

STOP! DON'T GET YOUR E-PRO DESIGNATION!

It's only for the top 5% of agents.  If everyone runs out and gets an e-Pro, it will be less valuable to us agents who have it and use it, like myself.

So to ensure that I remain in the exclusive 5% of top agents in the industry, I kindly request that you NOT get your e-Pro designation.  It makes mine that more valuable.  ;)

Regina P. Brown
Allison James Estates & Homes
www.ReginaBrown.AllisonJamesInc.com

Dec 05, 2008 08:21 PM #120
Rainer
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Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

thanks Regina Brown I joined your AR group as well!

Dec 05, 2008 08:39 PM #121
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Carla Harbert
Full Time REALTOR in Ohio - Brunswick, OH
RE/MAX Omega, Brunswick Ohio

I believe in education, designations, and staying updated with today's technology. I took the e-PRO classes and it was a little basic for me - but for those who were not internet savvy, I could see a very good benefit. But for me, I have received referrals from other e-PROers that has more than re-paid me and then some for the cost of the class. So it was more than just a designation for me -Carla

Dec 05, 2008 08:49 PM #122
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Barb & Sal Dragotta
Macomb, MI
Macomb County Michigan

Nick,--I took the e-Pro course and really liked it. I had used the net for other areas before Real Estate. found that some things covered I knew about, BUT none of my previous experience actually translated to being a REALTOR using the net. I did blog a lot on various ancestry sites. Learned many ways to Blog to various groups. That course opened up the avenue toward point2agent, Active Rain, using igoogle blogs etc. Other than google I do not believe that I would have located either AR or point2. That alone is valuable.

Now, I am an e-Pro who is having trouble uploading pictures to AR. They don't take--does that make me ignorant, or having wasted my money?   I assume so based on some comments.

When I was teaching & exhibiting Art, I always learned from courses / other Artists; how can knowledge be a waste? Why discourage anyone from expanding their 'capacity in tech?'

I'm sitting here at 2:15 am due to physical injury , reading posts, learning things & thourghly enjoying the give & take found on AR.   Without e-Pro I never would have learned about this as soon as I did.

Regina I, too, have joined your AR group as we work out of our home offices.  And, the sad part is that I still cannot get pictures to load in my posts.  Poor, dumb e-Pro that I am. Another item discovered is that the spell check on AR underlines in red; my eyes are damaged & the red is very hard for me to see--Am I incompetent because of that/ I don't think so, just slightly handicapped in proof reading.

Dec 06, 2008 02:21 AM #123
Rainer
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Nick Van Assche
Sea Glass Properties - Charlotte Amalie, VI
Owner/Broker of Sea Glass Properties

The point has been made a few times now that I only believe the course needs to be updated and that they fail to deliver on the cost. 

As for people being dumb or education as a whole being a waste of money... I have also pointed out that I have also taken the class and in know way am I slamming people who may not be internet savvy. Being an E-Pro and being internet savvy are two different things. 

Please remember the main purpose of this post: 


Maybe I am way off track, but I feel there could be substantially more substance than there is.

Why do you feel the designation is valuable or invaluable? Any other thoughts?

 

Dec 06, 2008 05:28 AM #124
Rainer
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Karen & Doug Parker
Sorrell & Company Realtors - Logan, OH
From Hilliard to the Hocking Hills Ohio

I've tried to scan or read through all these comments, so I apologize if I missed the answer to this question...is there are structured course available that would be considered advanced (or a sort of updated version of the e-PRO concept)?

Dec 23, 2008 09:27 AM #125
Rainer
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Nick Van Assche
Sea Glass Properties - Charlotte Amalie, VI
Owner/Broker of Sea Glass Properties

I haven't found anything yet. Please let me know if you find anything. 

Jan 15, 2009 07:00 AM #126
Rainer
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Stephen D White, E-Pro, ABR Cape Cod Real Estate
SDW Realty of Cape Cod - Falmouth, MA

Nick and anyone else interested. I sent a message to the Internet Crusade about an advanced E-Pro course and here's their response:

  

Thank you for contacting InternetCrusade® with your request. We appreciate your business. I have taken the following action as a result of your inquiry.

An Advanced E-Pro course is currently being considered for the near future.

Our Customer Service is available Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. (Pacific Time). We also monitor eMail on a regular basis at CustomerService@InternetCrusade.com Should you need any additional assistance, please feel free to contact by eMail or at my number below.

Mike Brown
Internet Advisor
Ph:866-377-0627 ext:620
Fax: 619-283-7343
Website: http://InternetCrusade.com

Jan 18, 2009 11:15 AM #127
Rainer
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Art Ramsey
Seattle, WA

For those with REALTOR designations ...

Did NAR (National Association of Realtors) disclose to you before you took the class that you would need to pay them every year to rent your designation?

Did NAR disclose the additional annual fee when they advertised this class?

Did NAR disclose to you how much the annual renewal fee would be before you took the class?

 We are talking ethics here, are we not? 

No one I know with a designation knew about these extra fees. Why is that?

Why would NAR fail to disclose annual fees, as they advertise these designations? Could it be becuase you would not take their classes?

Please email me with your NAR concerns:        Seattlebroker1@aol.com

Demand your NAR refund today!

Thanks!

Mar 03, 2010 09:18 AM #128
Rainer
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National Security Delaware Security Systems Free
Home and Business Alarms, Camera Systems 24 Hour Monitoring - Wilmington, DE

I think there is more value in what is  learned  on AR then then the other stuff out there.

Jun 27, 2010 01:21 AM #129
Rainer
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Nick Van Assche
Sea Glass Properties - Charlotte Amalie, VI
Owner/Broker of Sea Glass Properties

Any news on how the advanced class is coming along? 

Nov 01, 2010 02:38 PM #130
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